Category Archives: Linux-Archeology

The eternal five-years

Some freetard-in-the-making in the blessed halls of The Times discovered Ubuntu:

http://technology.ti…icle7110657.ece

Now this article was already reviewed on the tmrepository:
http://tmrepository….-of-worksforme/

But the tm repo poster had overlooked the essential part: The five years phenomenon! What is the five-years phenomenon? Let’s quote from the times article:

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I first tried Linux about five years ago, and it was a disaster, for all the reasons that Ubuntu is wonderful. The way it used to work, you see, was that you’d spend hours downloading the thing, and burning it in the right sort of image, and then you’d stick it in your CD drive and the screen would go all doolally, like the stuff Keanu sees in The Matrix. And then, if you were lucky, it would just go “KERNEL PANIC!!!” and do nothing. If you weren’t, it would wipe XP off your actually perfectly respectable PC and sit there having ropey graphics at you and not letting the wi-fi work. It didn’t take me long to realise why Windows was the market leader, and switch back.

— “Tech Journalist” from The Times in 2010

This piece of text shows the core of the five-years phenomenon. You see, in Linux, everything was really fucked up five years ago, but now it’s fixed! The reason why I call it a “phenomenon” is because the “five-years” are ALWAYS five-years, no matter in which year we are living!

So, Linux sucked five-years ago, but “nowitsgreat“™ in 2000 as it does in 2010. It’s timeless, but constant. The phenomenon can be compared to the time travel phenomenas in Star Trek episodes:

“There is the theory of the moebius, a twist in the fabric of space,
where time becomes a loop.” [and] “When we reach that point, whatever
happened will happen again”

http://en.wikipedia….t_Generation%29

Here is it in action:

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When I first tried it [Linux] about 5 years ago, I
came-away so frustrated that it turned me into a Wintroll for a while.
It’s waaayyyy better now. It still has some problems you don’t
often see on Windows (e.g. Mandrake 9 won’t work with my digital
camera (for some reason it thinks it’s a scanner), and I’m not sure
it’s worth the effort to actually get my Radeon 9500 Pro’s 3D
acceleration working), but it’s quite usable, and obviously far better
than Windows in many respects.

http://groups.google…ba5c3c897?hl=en

November 2003

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“Four or five years ago, Linux and the other open platforms were on the
fringe, the domain of technologists,” Molosiwa says. “Now it’s
shifted, and become a credible option.”

http://groups.google…3a702abf6?hl=en

From 2003

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New Year’s prediction: Longhorn will never ship, but Microsoft Linux will. Even if I’m wrong, it’s clear that software development is headed for a new place, and the end game that most observers saw even five years ago — that MS would win it all — doesn’t seem as likely on the eve of 2004

http://groups.google…abe719c29?hl=en

From January 2004

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They didn’t have KDE or GNOME five years ago either. You don’t think these
represent advances in usability ? How about added support for true type
fonts, 3d hardware acceleration, automatic detection of sound and video cards,
configuration tools such as linuxconf and YAST, GUI based installs and
easy default installs ? How about font anti-aliasing (still very new, works
with XFree 4.02) I think there have been a bunch of substantial improvements

http://groups.google…b5cd4f1de?hl=en

December 2000

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If somebody came to me 5 years ago and said, “I’m gonna bet
the farm on this new company I’m starting, what kind of computer
system should I use?” I would probably have said, go with Microsoft
and intel style PCs, anything else is too risky if you’re betting the
farm, much as I would have hated mouthing those words. But isn’t that
a manifestation of this discredited path dependence eonomic theory?
Now, (Oh Joy!) I might, with a clear conscience, convince the person to go
with linux.

http://groups.google…af18fa368a5?hl=

From February 1998

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Oh please. Same old tired, washed up FUD. Maybe these statements applied
5 years ago
, but now they just sound like some uninformed idiot speaking
about that which he knows nothing of.

Linux is more stable, secure, powerful and flexible than Windows could
ever be in its current form.

Plus it looks better!

http://groups.google…61ddd610a?hl=en

From March 2003

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Linux is a good OS and its usage is growing. Something tells me that
support will come soon. Think about it, 5 years ago where was Linux? Where
is it now… Have patience.

http://groups.google…bc334b1a?hl=en&

From: September 1998

Posted Image

Why is it always 5 years? Maybe there is a deep mystical connection here, but maybe it’s the hint how to break the time loop! I mentioned Star Trek time travel episodes before, and in one episode, the number 3 is the key to break out from the loop:

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The Enterprise-D is shown to be stuck in a time loop, with events culminating in the destruction of the ship as a result of a collision with another Starfleet vessel that emerges from a space-time distortion. […]

On the next iteration, the crew still experiences déjà vu, but actions performed by Data often reveal the number three, going against their previous conceptions. They make the same conclusions from the previous iteration, and Data realizes the number three must have some as-yet-unknown significance to break the loop. The Enterprise again arrives at the anomaly, and as the other ship emerges, both Data and Riker suggest alternate plans to avoid being hit. Though Captain Jean-Luc Picard opts for Data’s plan, Data comes to recognize that the “three” message was in reference to the insignia pips worn by Riker, and initiates his plan instead. The Enterprise is able to avoid being hit, and the time loop is broken

http://en.wikipedia….ause_and_Effect

Maybe the “5” points to Stallman’s toes – when the time comes, when he will be able to pull the foot cheese from all 5 toes at once, will the Freetards break out of the Penguin Day-loop, too?

But seriously now: What really astounds me, is that the pattern is so consistent in Linuxia. Every prediction that is put forth by Linux advocates today was predicted before, with exactly the same arguments, exactly the same phrases and even with exactly the same time frame! It’s scary. Linux predictions and reviews of distributions are like mathematical axioms.

It’s like all these people are from exactly the same town, and visited all the same school. Reading today’s Ubuntu reviews is an unsettling experience. I’ve read them all years and years ago, everything is exactly the same, except the distro name.

Historical: Ancient heroin

I know you guys like my archeology posts, so here is an interview with Robert Young, Red Hat’s CEO (back then), ten years ago:

http://www.theregist…roin_addiction/
13th June 2000
The best parts:

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Open Source phenomenon is the fourth great shift in this industry. Each has delivered a unique benefit to customers. Customers don’t want to go back to the proprietary model once they’ve tasted that.

Yes, this explains why migrations from Linux back to Windows never happened:
http://www.eweek.com…nux-to-Windows/

Once the Open Source fruit is tasted, you can’t go back.

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We do not worry about Microsoft developing Open Source applications. Their revenue stream is based on a heroin addiction of selling ever more software.

This is one year before Ballmer called the GPL cancer by the way. It’s noteworthy that the leaders in the Linux world are never held accountable for their words. They are almost treated as children, who can’t be held responsible for their antics. (in opposite to the CEOs of MS and Apple)

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Q Can Linux break Microsoft’s monopoly on operating systems?
A You’re going to have to invite me for a couple of beers for me to justice to that question, and after a couple of beers I might be able to answer you. Red Hat’s success comes not from our ambition to dent the desktop market. The desktop is 1980s technology, designed around the 8086 architecture and they’ve tried to drag this technology model screaming and kicking into the Internet age and that’s why you have the I Love You virus.

So, the desktop is old technology? But Red Hat sold and still sells primarily desktop and server systems!

Today’s Linux desktop is 80s technology as well (as it was ten years ago) there is nothing more innovative in KDE than in Windows or Mac.
To borrow from the linux hater blog: LinuxIsInnovation™. ALWAYS. Even if it is exactly the same.

The hypocrisy is astounding. As if Linux is not designed for the 8086 architecture.

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Q Has the media concentrated overmuch about Linux on the desktop?
A Information appliances are the future of computing and they’ll be talking to the server. The growth in PC desktops is slowing dramatically and the growth in server business is growing dramatically. John “Mad Dog” Hall, who is now running Linux International, and who does drink beer, said: “Don’t worry about the 400 million PCs out there — there are six billion people on the planet, worry about the other 5.6 billion people.

A fine example of the awesome power of Linux foresight:

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Microsoft Windows XP Sales Exceed 17 Million Copies Just Over Two Months After Worldwide Debut; Growth in Demand for PCs
January 8, 2002

http://www.highbeam….1-81431806.html

Speaking of accountability again: Failed tech predictions of various CEOs are remembered for years and years:
http://listverse.com…gy-predictions/

This is not true for the Linux world. Key figures there can say the darndest things, and give horrible predictions, and are still regarded as know-it-alls by the tech media. Seems like a very bad case of the ugly baby syndrome.

With CEOs like these it’s no wonder why Linux didn’t capture the desktop market back then, despite the massive hype in the late 90s/early 2000s. Their answer to all questions was just “it is Linux”. As if “Linux” is magical and works outside the worldly realm.

“Journalist: How do you want to capture the desktop”?

“Linux company CEO: Well, with our Linux technology of course! Our competition still uses technology that is optimized for the 80386!”

“Journalist: But wasn’t Linux made on a 386?”

“Linux CEO: Well, yes, but we are talking about Linux technology here”

“Journalist: ?”

“CEO: LINUX! Don’t you get it?”

Ten years later – Super Loon Edition

Let’s conclude the time travel to the last decade  with some of the looniest of the linux loons. Remember, this is just the tip of the loony-iceberg.

All posts are from ten years ago (1999-2001). The “MS will go under until 2010” parts are in bold.

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In many ways, Gates is equally ruthless, killing off competitors economically
in much the way Hitler exterminated Jewish towns.

[…]

Ironically, when Bill Gates announced his plan for world domination in
November of 1984, only a handful of people took him seriously. One of those
was Richard Stallman. It was Stallman and some of the other nameless members
of the Open Source movement who created the General Public License, and in
doing so, created the only effective means of limiting and undermining
Microsoft’s plans.

[…]
Open Source is the
absolute CORE of nearly ALL of the economic growth that has happened
in the last 20 years

http://groups.google…f?hl=en&lnk=gst

Posted on: January 2001

If taking one percent marketshare away from Microsoft on the desktop means saving the world, then yes, Stallman is the new messiah.

I think Open Source was behind the dissolution of the eastern bloc, too.

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If you cannot and will not see that MS is the biggest threat to democracy and
freedom the World has yet seen, then you deserve to suffer the consequences.

http://groups.google…?hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Posted on: 1999

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Windows 2000 – The FINAL solution!

I was reading up the newsgroups at a post somebody did comparing Hitler
to Bill gates.
One world, One Web, One Microsoft,,,, or something like that….

Well,,, that’s a very interesting idea. Put your brain in your skull
and think along with me.

You’ve just conquered Poland (IBM), France (APPLE), and a bunch of
smaller other countries
Holland (Atari), Hungary (Commodore), Belgium (Amiga).

It appears this time that the war with Russia (UNIX) is being won at a
very slow rate.

Because your playing the Russian front differently than the last
anti-christ, your proceeding
cautiously and making notes on all the little details concerning the
battle.

You are constantly updated as to the status of the Russian (UNIX) front.

Your troops are divided into two camps. The Waffen SS (Windows 95/98)
and
the Gestapo ( NT 3.5/4.0).

But you see a new opponent comming out of the Russian Front. An
opponent who’s
gaining ground faster than any other before in history.

It’s the new Russian Army being commanded by General Linuxcoff.
General Linuxcoff’s army is gaining ground faster than any other Army in
the history
of the world.

You straighten your skull and crossbone cap. An idea has just arrived.
Combine my two forces into one fighting unit to maximize destruction and
looting profitiablity.

The 2000 Reich will be the last Reich of the Micro-people! HI HI HI!

I expect the bunker ceremony at right on 5 years from now.

http://groups.google…f?hl=en&lnk=gst

Posted on: 1999

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Things Linux can’t do!

Linux can’t go bankrupt.

Linux will never be drawn into an anti monopolistic lawsuit with the
Federal Government, or any other Government.

Linux will never be mis-trusted by the public.

Linux will be around when Bill Gates dies.

Linux will be around when Microsoft has long been forgotten and copies
of
NT are in the Smithsonian on display!

Linux will most likely outlast several of the worlds governments.

While it’s name might not continue to be Linux, through the centuries it
will travel,
it will always be with mankind.

Linux is like a statue which has traveled through time.

Linux is like the human race – as long as there is love it will be
there.

In a strange way, Linux is like the pyramids in the respect that it will
be
with mankind for several centuries.

When I went to the Federal Courthouse one time, I had a man explain
to me that he works for another man who can only be fired by god.

But despite that, a Federal Judge will never be able to do anything
about
Linux.

Linux doesn’t require a profit to survive!

Linux just needs humans, a small group of humans, to survive.

And we are the generation which has witnessed it’s birth.

And for that I feel privileged.

And because Linux has the power of life itself, I really wonder why
people
still have faith that Microsoft will be with us in 10 years much less
20.

Isn’t Microsoft a corporation? There are a few corporations which are
100 years old.
Don’t think the average life span of a computer related corporation is
anything to write
home about.

Microsoft is but a mere mortal where Linux is a god!

And as we all know, mere mortals die.

And god’s can die too, if they are not loved or needed.

But even gods can be forgotten for several hundred years and then
be re-discovered and re-incarnated.

No mortal has ever come back from the grave though.

And by the way, haven’t you slept long enough?

http://groups.google…a?hl=en&lnk=gst

Posted on: 2000

Some guy called Chad Meyers visited regulary the Linux newsgroup to.. uh, discuss. The problem was that he wasn’t fawning over Linux. BIG MISTAKE!

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Microsoft is not just an operating system for people
like Chad. It’s the ONLY thing they’ve ever known!
Microsoft is the China man’s Opium!

And he will LASH OUT like a wild man in defiance
to anybody who wants to stop him from taking
his DRUGS despite the FACT that the drug
is KILLING HIM.

[….]

Pete was SAVED but CHAD is still ILL!
CHAD has been doing this for quite a long time now
and it may be we have to wait for Microsoft to BANKRUPT
their OS division
before we can save his SICK MIND.

http://groups.google…99f99a?hl=en&q=

Posted on 2000:

I wonder whether they have healed his disease ridden mind at the end?

The world according to freetards

The world of 2010 that is.

Yes, time for another “archeology” post! I know, not exactly innovative, but what would be a better topic for the first year of this decade than the freetarded predictions (often made by tech “journalists”) about how the technological landscape of this decade would look like?

So, fasten your seat belts, and enjoy the ride!

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Linux will surpass MS in 2-3 years, just wait for kde 4 series and Gnome 3.

Posted on: 9th Aug 2004

http://www.osnews.co…rmalink?f268966

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IDC analyst Dan Kusnetzky said he doubts Apple’s tactics will work. He told NewsFactor that the company’s market share has declined in each of the last five years. “If the decline … continues, it is very likely that Linux (news – web sites) will take the number two spot in the desktop OS market from Mac by the middle of 2003,” he noted

Posted on: January 2003

http://forums.macrum…hp/t-17089.html

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Right now linux is the second most popular desktop as well as the second most popular server. Next year Linux will surpass Windows as the most popular server machine and in 3 years will surpass Windows on the desktop, world wide and in the US on Corporate desktops. In the US it will take 7 years for Linux to surpass Windows on the desktop for the average consumer.

Posted on: Dec 26, 2000

http://www.linuxtoda…ply=001&quote=1

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I feel confident that over the next 10 years MS is going to lose the
desktop to Linux in a big way. Confident enough that I would like to
bet money on it.

http://groups.google…3?hl=en&lnk=gst

Posted on: August 2003

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Redmond 2010

A tumble weed rolls down 156 Avenue NE. Empty buildings, their windows
smashed by homeless punks. Marketing brochures blowing around deserted
fields. A ‘marketing rat’, formerly a monied Redmond citizen, darts up to
snatch a piece of hamburger bun dropped by a crow.

http://groups.google…32c07722c45a360

Posted on: August 2003

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Part II:

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M$ sponsored proxy wars will continue until Microsoft has gone bankrupt.

Say, 2010 or so.

http://groups.google…a9dc724a9be1cc2

Posted on: June 2004

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Because by 2010, we’ll all be running Linux.

http://groups.google…lnk=gst&

Posted on: May 2004

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By 2007, IDC forecasts, Linux will be installed on 6% of the desktops.

http://linux.slashdo…234&mode=thread

From 2004

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> Question. Will there be boxes of longhorn (or winders 2010) on the
> shelves when it’s released?

The real question will Microsoft still be a monoply by then, if Linux keeps
winning the war, and then what will MS do once they have the gloves off?

http://groups.google…?hl=en&lnk=gst#

From 2005

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GM went from a world dominant player in the 1970s to near collapse
by the 2000s. This would align well with your figure of 2010 for MS, of
course.

http://groups.google…3922ecb3cd73c89

From 2005

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You can figure that the EARLIEST
Windows 7 will be out is probably sometime in 2010, and won’t be
debugged until 2011, and maybe two releases later, around 2015, will
have the features and capabilities of Linux as well as the
performance, security, and efficiency of Linux.

http://groups.google…5a84ab9a5ec8609

From 2008

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By 2010, maybe most new PC users will be using Linux instead of Windows. The desktop Linux tidal wave may indeed be on its way.

http://blogs.compute…idal_wave_alert

From 2008 (SJVN)

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Linux to lead smartphone OS market with 26.6% by 2010

The Diffusion Group forecasts that Linux will surpass SymbianOS marketshare in smartphones by 2010 with 26.6% of the market.

From 2006

http://www.itfacts.b…66-by-2010/7040

Current marktshare: http://en.wikipedia….tphone_2009.svg Let’s say, the numbers are way off….

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Part III – shattered dreams:

All posts are from around ten years back (1998-2002), mostly from 1999

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Microsoft is finally pitted against a competitor that they cannot buy, cannot bankrupt and cannot combat in the traditional sense. They see their competitors embracing Linux, they see large, high-profile customers embracing Linux, and they don’t know what to do.

[…]

If we keep our wits, there is no way we can lose […] Microsoft has already crowned Linux the victor.

http://features.linu…18-011-05-NW-LF

Posted on: May 18, 1999

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Linux will win, firstly because it is a clearly superior product to NT, but furthermore because the way in which it exchanges value is more in touch with the realities of the software world than the current system that is in place

http://www.twistedma…apitalinux.html

Posted on: November 1998

Quote

Is Microsoft losing ground to Linux?

http://news.cnet.com…6_3-964310.html

November 1, 2002

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I think worldwide linux will win

But one thing is very clear for me. Linux will win and Microsoft will develop software for Linux

….

Linux will win in the end.
Plain and simple.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Linux-or-Windows-You-decide
/0,130061733,120270777,00.htm

Various posts, all posted on 2002

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Why Linux Will Win

The editors at PC WEEK will hopefully remember IBM’s OS/2 Presentation Manager. It was IBM’s windowing system, co-developed with Microsoft, and introduced in the late-80s, while IBM was at the pinnacle of power. Even so, Windows won, it became the defacto desktop system, not Presentation Manager.

Linux will survive for the same reasons that Windows survived. It’s more practical, the platform vendor is less powerful, and therefore the opportunity is greater for developers, and users will have more choices. Further, Linux has the advantage of being much less expensive than its competition and is free of licensing restrictions.

http://web.archive.o…whyLinuxWillWin

Posted on: June 1999

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Linux will win
You do not have a chance
Linux is better
You will lose the fight
Linux will win
You cannot stop the revolution
Linux forever

http://www.billgates…ral&message=224

Posted somwewhere between 1999 and 2001

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The “we will crush you” rhetoric from the Open Source camp grows very tiresome, so much so that the mainstream media has found it interesting enough to devote column inches to it. Yikes!

http://static.userla…/msg007866.html

Posted on: 1999

Some things never change..

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Linux will win and Micro$oft will lose. So
sit back, have fun and watch it happen.

That’s right, Linux will be on every desktop
and server
because the all American Dollar rules.
What becomes a standard is determined by economics
( the cost of the product).
There was a time when you could get Windows 3.1,
for $30.00 and that is when Micro$oft
became a standard, it wasn’t because of
superior technology.
The genie (GPL, Linux, Open-Souce) was let out
of the bottle a long time ago and as time passes
it will consume everything. If you ask me, it
reached critical mass in 1998. The genie can not
be put back into the bottle.

http://lists.rlug.or…ber/000563.html

Posted on: 2001

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Linux will win. And deserves to win. Hotmail runs on Unix servers as far as I know. They tried to port to NT and failed.

http://getahead.redi…an/23dgos33.htm

Posted on: January 1999

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I’m confident that GNU/Linux will win that battle

http://linux.omnipot…article_id=7023

Posted on: September 1999

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However, as big as Microsoft is, and as powerful as they are, the Community is stronger. As a Community, we have more money and more people than Microsoft.

Eventually, Linux Will Win Anyway

http://www.abisource…wr_expo99.phtml

Posted on: 21 May 1999

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Anyone who’s tried Mandrake 7.0 {Air} or Suse 6.4 or even Caldera’s
latest, and can still say Linux is 5 years behind W2k must own Microsoft stock
to be that biased.

I’ll say that the KDE desktop on my edition os Suse 6.4 is superior to
W2K in any respect you care to debate.

http://groups.google…fccd25?hl=en&q=

Posted on: May 2000

Well… so much winning ten years ago

Archeology II, the follow up – All hope abandon ye who enter here

Archeology II – Part 2…

The main topic of this nostalgia trip is paranoia. Most of the following outrage has to do with the small online-registration tool in Windows 95 and MSN.

Harmless stuff, but, as usual, common sense was unable to stop the HUGE conspiracy theory that was created on the newsgroup.

All posts from 1995

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/eefedb0f78c3d819?hl=en#

Paranoia:

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Micro$ucks INVASION OF PRIVACY WARNING!!!!!!!

>CNN yesterday…. Micro$ucks users of the network package in Windows 95

>will have their systems automatically audited by Micro$ucks.  This to to

>develop a profile of what software resides on the users computers.

>Micro$ucks states they will not sell the information to other companies.

>Big Brother is not the government, it is Micro$hit.

>Linux rules….

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/eefedb0f78c3d819/dde30ba955f45562?hl=en&

Paranoia II:

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The guys at work, windoze weenies, told me there already is a patch for

keeping microshaft from peeking into your machine.  Look around, maybe you to

can find it.  If i put Win95 on my machine, it will be stand alone or just

connected to another machine in the house.  Thats it!  No dial out for me.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/1a71c17c36f5ba38?hl=en#

Paranoia III:

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I’m not adverse to nuking Redmond either. :) As I see it, the back

of the software behemouth must be broken.  Otherwise, OS like Linux

will eventually become illegal.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/00d4960942c3eb9b?hl=en#

Paranoia IV:

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> Microsoft officials confirm that beta versions of Windows 95 include a

> small viral routine called Registration Wizard.  It interrogates every

> system on a network gathering intelligence on what software is being run

> on which machine.  It then creates a complete listing of both Microsoft’s

> and competitors’ products by machine, which it reports to Microsoft when

> customers sign up for Microsoft’s Network Services, due for launch later

> this year.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/7e80487806218062?hl=en#

Paranoia V:

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>  if you answer “no” to the registration question, no scanning

>occurs. no directory structure or other local data is transfered. period.

>my concern is that one day this might not be the case. call me paranoid.

>i also truly believe that m/s has left back-door passwords in the

>m/s net shipped with win95, wfw, and nt. again, probably just paranoia.

>  but…if this is the case, all m/s would need to do is send a command

>and instantly retrieve all information from all machines connected my

>the m/s net.

Well, as it turned out, it was all big pile of bullshit.
There should be watchdogs, no doubt, but not this kind. I guess none of them knows about the boy who cried wolf.

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Part 3: “I thought this was a Linux newsgroup?”

Some more sane posters are wondering…

All posts form 1995:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/8fac9c5e54e19fe2?hl=en#

Complaint I:

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Why are we talking about this?  I thought this was a Linux group.

: These threads have gone on long enough.  Hell, look at some of the

: groups being cross-posted.  Maybe comp.net.garbage is a more appropriate

: name.  Everybody is posting their shit here.  WHY!!!?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/78f4a537b4e97303?hl=en#

Complaint II:

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Where’s the Linux Advocacy?

I stopped into your little parlor to learn something about Linux.  All

I read here is a lot of bitching and whining about Microsoft.

Where’s the beef? Or is Linux the next (nextstep)- a nice irrelevant OS.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/9039692686885b21?hl=en#

Complaint III:

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I think that there has been enough M$ bashing to last us all for a while.

Maybe I was wrong, but I thought that this newsgroup was to be used to

discuss Linux, not everything-but!  Truthfully, I would much rather have a

dialog about the future of Linux than skim through hundreds of posts all

titled “Re: Lets do something about Microsoft” that all basically say the same

things OVER and OVER again.  Let me know if I was wrong about this folder.

If it’s sole purpose is to bicker over Micro$oft, let me know and I’ll

un-subscribe.

They talk more about Microsoft in a Linux newsgroup because for many in the movement it’s more about the hate than Linux itself. You know, BSD is for people who love UNIX, Linux is for..

And some assorted posts:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/abd4bb57204c8ef1?hl=en#

Instead like, I don’t know, improving Linux maybe? This poster found something more effective to harm MS:

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Do something about MS shitware — Pirate them!

Is there a safe way of distributing 100,000,000 copies of MS programs

without being caught? I guess not. But whenever you get a chance,

pirate them from your friends! You will be doing good. A priest told

me that if you pirate $10,000 worth of MS programs you can go to

heaven.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/aa2e1cab1bd1b6f8?hl=en#

Whining:

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HEY PC-WEEK WHY DON”T YOU EVER COVER LINUX?  IS IT BECAUSE WE DON’T

ADVERTISE IN YOUR MAGAZINE?

Maybe because Linux had in 1995 a marketshare of.. what was it? 0.01%?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/f1ef050837abd2cb?hl=en#

And again, a prediction!:

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It appears that even Microsoft is “jumping”

the Win 95 ship.  Recent press releases to the business community

from senior a Microsoft executive talk about NT as being their

“real” operating systems of the future.

Talk like this from Microsoft a mere 7 days after the release of

Win 95 can only be interpreted as a total abandonment of Win 95

by Microosft.

RIGHT!

Don’t forget: If you’re a freetard, never ever apply to shows like Phenomenon and the like!

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/8dc7e817d6a49c8e?hl=en#

Linux is for nazis:

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The real reason I like UNIX oeprating systems is because they are

“rugged” and “masculine”. All that cutsie, user-friendly nonsense

is for wimps: intellectualy and physically inept creatures whose

fingers are too clumsy to avoid hitting five wrong keys before finding

the right one; people who must always be comfortable and who avoid

manual work and especially learning of any sort, and are obsessed

with pretty appearances.

I wasn’t made to be a follower. I despise authority figures.

I can’t stand fools and weaklings.

The weak shall perish! The most amusing part is that the author probably lived in his parents basement at that time and urged his mother not to turn off his computer, so that he can break the uptime record.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/2df9f6c8f9dc06a1/844c44114a272c06?hl=en&

Windows 95 is a failure (again..):

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See, it’s like this.  DOS and Windows, do indeed have more, newer and

: fancier games than Linux.  According to Bill Gates, “Windows 95 will be

: the premier gaming system…”

: Therefore, Windows 95 is a toy OS, for playing games.  :)

.. and yet it can’t compete with a Sony PlayStation using far cheaper.

hardware. Hehe!

It’s true, no one used Win95 at work.

Well, that’s it for now. The COLA newsgroup is a treasure full of FUD, paranoia, death threats, flames and just plain wrongness. And it proves one thing:

THERE IS NO “LINUX YOUTH”. The community has always sucked. It’s not a new phenomenon. All these posts are from 1995 – when Linux was just four years old and only a very small subset of the population was online. And the community was as bad as now.

Archeology II

Round 2!

All posts are from 1995.

Let’s go:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/ae58195a7a7d5b56/9579e959101e0572?hl=en

We begin with a prediction:

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Cairo will only run on top of NT.  This is Microsoft’s biggest downfall.

They are killing themselves in the object market by virute of selling

Windows 95, which will outsell NT 1,000:1.  NeXT and PowerBuilder will

have object development tools for both NT and Win95 (with NeXT being

truly cross-platform across Unix, INtel, Alpha, PA-RISC, Sparc, and probably

PowerPC).  And if Taligent can’t get their act together in the next few months,

the only true object products that even have a chance at dominating in the

future are OpenStep and PowerBuilder.  (For obvious reasons I believe

NeXT will retain the clear advantage vs. PowerSoft).

I made this statement a year ago, and most people thought I was nuts, but I

will say it again because it is even more clear to me now that the following

will happen:

Microsoft will _either_ license OpenStep from NeXT or they will make the

Cairo specification open to the public.  Again, my estimate is that Microsoft

will go with OpenStep.

As I said: listen to freetard predictions, and then do the exact opposite. The only oracle that works.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/58d6a7dbf2aa1c02?hl=en#

Linux youth in 1995:

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Look at Star Trek.  Look how in TNG, DS9, and Voyager, they are always

routing this through that (and running level three diagnostics.)

To me this smells like 23rd century piping.

Yet another reason Linux is better than Windows – it’s more Star Trek like.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/26a35444a66968c2?hl=en#

Linux yoth in 1995 part 2:

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TOP TEN reasons I have to reboot LINUX

10.    My mother turned my computer off while I was away

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/10621814e1819b77?hl=en#

Anti-capitalism in action:

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Linus goes to Washington: My Impression

Trip Report:

After driving 6 hours in the rain from Pittsburgh to Washington

DC to the Decus convention to meet Linus and hear him speak (I

attended everything except the 1/2 day kernel seminar) here are

my personal impressions:

….

Capitolism makes Linus sick.  He seemed to really be

irratated that Americans refuse to believe in anything free.

And he is additionally irratated that corporate America has not lept onto a free Unix.

Capitalism made him “sick”? What about the corporate-tourism he started later? I guess he was cured, once he profited from it.

(Pseudo)-Anti-capitalism II:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/7ba7d17943be826f?hl=en#

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Lots of people (like me) are against the software industry.  Through

Linux we could put down the relelntless profit being made fby the

biggies.

All the problems in the world would go away, if programmers wouldn’t need food and housing.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/a546e1c1d6f7ccd6?hl=en#

Anti-capitalism III:

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JUST REMEMBER WHY WINDOWS WAS CREATED!!!!!!!!!

Winblows was created for one reason…and one reason only….

MONEY!!!!

HOW EVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!!!!!!

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/2df9f6c8f9dc06a1/6ea4abec477008aa?hl=en

Bill Gates is a moron:

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People!…

We all KNOW DAMN WELL that:

1).  Bill Gates is a moron.

2).  His products are crap.

3).  UNIX OS’s are superior in every respect, and will be

for a long time to come.

3a).  Oh, well, AmigaDOS also does very well! :)

Come on guys!… lets act like the UNIX royalty we are, and forget about

the Micro$not/Macinturd peasants out there…

And we have again a prediction! Well, we know the fate of AmigaDOS…

I mean it totally seriously: If one would collect now all the predictions that are currently floating around on slashdot and the like, and do the exact opposite of what they advise, then you could end up as a millionaire.

Archeology – the follow up

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/ddc5c8650e3e21d7?hl=en#

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Actually, the self-proclaimed advocates here who insist on terms like

“MicroSloft, MicroSh*t, Windoze” mildly amuse me. (OTOH, I don’t recall

seeing terms like “LinSux” over in the advocacy groups for windows, os2

and the like).

And now we have a whole sites named linsux.. It’s true: What comes around goes around.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/5752e0e57c12b0a6?hl=en#

From 1995:

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yesterday, i caught my first glimpse at windows 95.  it was horrid!  it

still uses crappy emm386 and himem, it STILL barely runs protected mode,

it takes 3 minutes to boot on a p90 with 32 megs of ram and it STILL

utilizes crappy cooperative multitasking.  i REALLY don’t think that

Win 95 has a chance up against Linux.

Indeed, didn’t you know that Linux was the dominating system from 1995 to 1998?


http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/f8e51805b2926d8c/812ec755ede640d4?hl=en

“worksforme” in 1995:

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>If you are a hobbiest, or setting up TCP/IP servers or gateways, Linux

>would work.  If you are a professional, Linux CAN’T work for you.

I am a professional.

Linux WORKS for me.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/af8c41fc44d9112a?hl=en#

From 1995:

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Linux can do everything anything else can do, except better

I am here to state facts, not an opinion.  So here we go:

Word processing:Linux has it, it is called ez.  Execute it by typing ez at the prompt.

Databasing:ez doubles as a database, if you should require it.

Video/graphical progs:xv is the main Linux graphical display(good

old Visual Schnauzer and its rotating fish).  Resolution is altered as

per X window system, and, with enough RAM(8-16 should do the trick),

swapping is minimal and the picture comes up almost right away.

…..

Games:/usr/games can hold any game you want.  You can put your

old DOS games in Dosemu, or you can find linux equivalents of these

games(for example:linuxxdoom or linuxsdoom) and put them in your linux

partition.

….

Yes, this beats Word, Photoshop and all the other noob programs!

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread
/thread/f8e51805b2926d8c?hl=en#

A prediction from 1995:

Quote

Microsfot applications are the hottest target for software piracy

around the world, from which Bill Gates do not earn much

……

The Microsoft compiler

suit will no longer sell.  Give Linux 95 one more year, we will see

major applications appearing on Linux platform.

……..

When good applications appear on Linux, Microsoft stronghold on the

Office suit will be threatened. Bill Gates has only one more year to

enjoy his fortune. When this happens, I suggest Bill Gates move his

Office suit to Linux, just like what he did for MacOS

Yeah… MS has lost so much money since 1995… I think the best way to survive in this world is to listen to freetard predictions, and then do the exact opposite.. This way, you will never fail!