Small businesses and NuMicrosoft: A world of pain

NuMicrosoft managed to piss of lots of people since 2012, but with the advent of Windows 10 one customer-segment especially got the “fuck you”-treatment: Small businesses.

Microsoft’s volume licensing schemes are just too costly for these customers. It’s far more cheaper for them to buy OEM-licenses on Amazon and other online-retailers than going the volume-license route, which are usually double the price if not more  in case of Windows. The only drawbacks are mutiple license keys, but an Excel-table is usually all you need to manage this.

But with Windows 10, MS basically created a new extortion scheme. Of all the editions, only one, the LTSB, is something you can live with if you have a business to run. It’s the only version where you get updates without forced upgrades and all the crap that comes with them since Windows 10: Removal of applications without notification during the update-upgrade, non-usable computers for more than a hour (possibly during critical work-time!) new sudden anti-features like ads in the start menu and regressions. The LTSB is also less spy-happy than the other versions.

But LTSB is only available through volume-licensing. Gotcha!

The scheme is clear: Either you pay massively up (LTSB costs around 350$ per seat on Open License)  or you live with a massively degraded experience compared to all previous versions of Windows. And even if you pay: The non-metrotard (win32) advantages of W10 compared to W7 are pretty negligble, if there are any at all. You basically pay for the extension of the patch-support.

A foretaste of the respect MS shows to SMBs in the post-W10 world can also be seen by the dreaded GWX-updates. Although they don’t show any nag-screens if the PC is connected to the domain (unless some “accidents” happen) they still download over five gigabytes of useless Windows 10 installation files everywhere they install. That issue becomes a real annoyance in case of SSDs and virtual machines, where every gig is precious.

The problem intensifies, because one of the most popular Windows Server versions especially designed for small businesses, Foundation Edition, doesn’t come with WSUS! So you either guard the update-process on every single PC or you just give up and live with lots of wasted space for no good reason at all. And any attempts to remove these updates through scripting become an endless Whac-A-Mole, because MS constanty re-issues these fucking things on Windows Update. Clever. The extortion is clear once again: Pay up for a better server version, asshole, OR ELSE.

So much for Windows 10 being free of cost.

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855 responses to “Small businesses and NuMicrosoft: A world of pain

  1. Anyone trusting MS is nuts after their W10 behavior.

    I would expect anything from them now. Stealing code through phone home in Visual Studio, slowing down competitor products on Windows, selling your data to the highest bidder, no matter how shady. You name it.

    WOW:

    https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry

  2. http://betanews.com/2016/06/10/microsoft-visual-studio-2015-c-compiler-telemetry/

    An eagle-eyed Reddit user has noticed that code run through Visual Studio 2015 C++ compiler make calls to Microsoft’s telemetry services. Microsoft has already upset a large number of people with the privacy and telemetry issues in Windows 10, and there is now a busy thread on Reddit discussing the company’s thinking behind including this ‘feature’.

    Coders have expressed concerns that Microsoft appears to be inserting calls to its telemetry service into binaries as they are compiled. Calls to telemetry_main_invoke_trigger and telemetry_main_return_trigger raised a few eyebrows having been found in both debug and release versions of the software. The good news — maybe — is that telemetry can be disabled.

    Over on Reddit, user sammiesdog triggered an active discussion following his discovery. It prompted a response from Steve Carroll, Development Manager for the Visual C++ team, who insists that the inclusion of the telemetry function is entirely innocent. Despite this, he says that it will be remove when Update 3 is released. The software is currently on Update 2.

    […]

    While it’s good to see Microsoft responding to feedback and acting on user concern, it is still worrying that the compiler includes undocumented elements. As one Redditor puts it, the situation does have a “We got caught. We’ll roll back this one” feel to it.

    Nadella Microsoft. Just lovable.

  3. Freetard fanatism was bad, bad at least there was the whole utopian vision behind it of free software yada yada.

    Birch please, freetards are partly to blame. They cheered at Google as they gulped private data in Gmail just because they threw a bone to Mozilla, and then they cheered the world’s first private data collector OS aka Android. Freetards are the ones who legitimized private data collection and weird privacy terms in TOSes.

    How can anyone getting passionate about a small group of billionaires and millionaires (MS board) fucking up their customers with malware?

    Sunk costs. Some people have invested huge amounts of money but most importantly time to master MS-specific technologies under the assumption MS,would always be the reliable choice and now don’t want to admit they were wrong (hint: always, try to learn cross-platform technologies if you have that choice)

    It’s much like the more restrictive a religion or ideology is, the most fanatic it’s supporters are, because deep inside they don’t want to admit they were fools and oppressing themselves for nothing all those years of their lives.

  4. Not a big fan of Google, but at least their data-mining approach was obvious from the get-go.

    They have never transformed their products over-night with forced patches into something completely different from the base product.

    Windows 7 is a privacy-respecting OS for the most part and MS tries to trick the users into installing an “upgrade” that completely and utterly changes the modus operandi of the OS. That’s the biggest breach of trust I can think of in the field of computing in the last decades.

    Sneaky telemetry in the compiler is just insane. It’s cartoon-villainy level now. They must have bribed some EU and US officials. Either with data or money. How can all this happening without anyone raising an eyebrow? COME ON! They paid billions for bundling a freaking browser.

  5. How can anyone getting passionate about a small group of billionaires and millionaires (MS board) fucking up their customers with malware?

    Sunk costs.

    Fuck them. Fuck the enablers and their stupid reasons.

    I have sunk costs on MS too, but damn. You have to say stop at some point. Not cheering this villiany on would be a start.

    I can understand to be passive about it, but cheering them on on this is scumtard behavior.

    The same enablers who are enthusiastic about MS malware are ironically also the ones who are usually on execution mode regarding smalltime hackers, pirates, malware authors etc.

    I guess malwaring a botnet is a tragedy, malwaring the entire Windows userbase is an statistic.

    Hypocritical scumtard bootlickers.

  6. Birch please, freetards are partly to blame. They cheered at Google as they gulped private data in Gmail just because they threw a bone to Mozilla

    True, freetards suck. But at least I got their motivation: Google funded Mozilla in large part, and getting free software funded would help the FOSS revolution utopia and all that crap

    Cheering on NuMS though with their malware strategies? What’s the grand vision here about a company going the route of RealPlayer? I understand political and religious radicals far more than metrotards.

    I get the sunk costs thing, but if the product you sunk all the cost in turns into malware, then you lost that investment anyway. I would never trust W10 with anything remotely productive now.

    That undocumented compiler telemetry-backdoor is just grand! It’s like from a mid 90s freetard fever dream. I wouldn’t be surprised if they change the EULA of Word with a sneaky update which would grant them the copyright of anything you write.

  7. then you lost that investment anyway.

    Humans aren’t particularly good at admitting an investment has been lost and can’t be saved, especially if considerable time has been invested in. They want to keep believing it’s not lost or that it can be saved.

    PS: My previous post was posted in a semi-drunken state, and I just noticed all the glaring grammar mistakes in it… sorry.

  8. New patchday, new GWX crap.

    Watch out for KB 3123862, 3035583 and 2952664

  9. Joke’s on them, Windows Update stopped working for me again after functioning for a week or two. I had to disable the service because otherwise it perpetually pegs an entire core. Over the past 4 or so months I’ve basically just been applying wsusoffline update from time to time. It’s actually more convenient given that they don’t ship the GWX shit.

  10. I had to disable the service because otherwise it perpetually pegs an entire core.

    Ahem… This is normal if there are new updates. It can peg the CPU for up to an hour on some systems. Make it 2 on my net book.

    Or it could be WSUS getting in the way. Never meddle with the affairs of Windows Update, for it’s quick to getting confused and running around like a headless chicken.

  11. Nah, I’d rather just force it to do what I want. And the issues last way beyond an hour. And it’s not WSUS. Despite the name, WSUS Offline Update has nothing to do with WSUS. It’s not a daemon, it’s a standalone updater like AutoPatcher or Windows Update Downloader.

  12. master MS-specific technologies

    How does this even apply when biploar Microsoft creates and dumps stuff so rapidly? The things people are masters at, like Win32, are on their deathbeds and the forward thinkers are building stuff against Sencha, Salesforce, Cordova, or whatever instead of whatever whizbang Microsoft has just introduced that will be retired by winter. Yeah they just bought Xamarian but excuse me if I think they’ll run it into the ground by the end of the year. By next February we’ll be reading articles like:

    “Remember Xamarian? What happened?”
    “Xamarian: the MySpace of development platforms”
    “Microsoft needs a…..Good Xamarian……to help them recover their $500 million disaster purchase”

    If we’re talking severs, people who are actually good can run anything and will be able to reduce Microsoft’s role to the minimum required. The stereotypical MSCE who is stuck with whatever the course materials taught isn’t building anything; he’s tier 2 tech support.

    Google, but at least their data-mining approach was obvious from the get-go

    It was also a superior value proposition: get the best email, etc. for free in exchange for data mining. No such value proposition exists with Windows 10. As stupid as this might sound, if Microsoft gave away a 3 year subscription to HBO GO with every Windows 10 install, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Everyone would be installing Windows 10 and talking about how they never realized how awesome Games of Thrones would be.

    Windows 7 is a privacy-respecting OS for the most part and MS tries to trick the users into installing an “upgrade” that completely and utterly changes the modus operandi of the OS. That’s the biggest breach of trust I can think of in the field of computing in the last decades.

    This is one of the most efficiently worded explanations I’ve seen. It’d be like if Mack and Caterpillar started selling compact cars all of a sudden instead of semi-trucks and backhoes, all the while claiming how compact cars cover all your hauling and excavating needs.

    They paid billions for bundling a freaking browser.

    A browser that was actually good at the time and that everyone wanted, so much so that it broke download records. At least if we’re talking about DoJ case. IE was deep into its recession by the time EU got involved. That was just a cash grab. The EU is a fucking shithole and doesn’t actually care about protecting its constituents.

    RealPlayer

    LOL, I had almost forgotten about that. I always thought RealPlayer was shit but the way it threw itself into the can was epic, and they had the largest market presence as they were doing it. QuickTime was on the ropes, between Apple holding it too closely to its chest and releasing several badly designed versions; only the proprietary Sorenson codec, which was basically an alpha version of H.264, kept them afloat. Windows Media wasn’t going anywhere and wasn’t known for much beyond the hacked MPEG4 Part 2 codec, otherwise known DivX ;-), which ironically was the only market force that made Part 2 viable. Flash Video was emerging but despite being a product of the 2000s it was strapped to 90s technology like 320×240 H.263 video and 64 kbps 22 kHz mono MP3 from a mid-90s encoder that was beaten by just about anything else.

  13. If we’re talking severs, people who are actually good can run anything and will be able to reduce Microsoft’s role to the minimum required.

    There are unfortunately applications which require Windows and/or MS SQL servers.

    The DOJ and EU Internet Explorer cases were heavily sponsored by IBM, Sun and Oracle (and later Google). That lobbying was one of the main reasons the ball got rolling in the first place.

    Cool to see how no one cares when customers are actually truly harmed and there’s no lobbying involved.

  14. I am still not sure whether the update situation on W7 is malice or incompetence.

    Breaking Windows Update on 7 could be just another form of “fuck you” to the userbase for not upgrading to 8 or 10, BUT, GWX is delivered through it and that’s something they obviously don’t want to break.

    Either way, it’s fucked up.

  15. I think it’s incompetence. The joe users don’t care about updates, unless they hit a wall with some app requiring it. I was talking about this to the TMR elitists five years ago. They need to have more update rollups/service packs. At least Windows 10 has periodic point builds, which are basically what os x does.

  16. The joe users don’t care about updates

    Not being pestered by them on W7 (due broken WU) is actually a plus. Unless you are on IE, most Malware doesn’t even target the things Windows updates fix (browsers, PDF readers, plugins)

  17. Uh, typo: I meant of course most malware targets browser, PDF readers, plugins, (because those are the main gateways for malware) not the internal Windows stuff WU fixes.

  18. At least Windows 10 has periodic point builds, which are basically what os x does.

    Yeah, a point release on OS X is basically a Service Pack, except there are about eight of them on average per major release. Also, the security updates are essentially rollups. They also apply really fast. A point update might take 2 minutes rather than the agonizing Windows Service Pack process.

    Not being pestered by them on W7 (due broken WU) is actually a plus.

    Agree. Only downside is the svchost freakout, which most people aren’t able to resolve.

    internal Windows stuff WU fixes

    The #1 fix to Windows’ problems was the proliferation of broadband and NAT/firewall consumer routers. XP SP2 helped a great deal, but, assuming for the sake of argument that this was a supported configuration, you could probably get away with running the latest version of Chrome or Firefox on top of XP RTM. Java and Flash would probably be a bad idea, though, even worse than normal.

  19. From Thurrott’s article:

    Microsoft makes Convenience rollup update available via something called the Windows Update Catalog, but that site inexcusably requires Internet Explorer because it uses an ActiveX control. Yes, in 2016.

    But this is expected. It’s like being surprised that Apple has distributed something written in Objective C. Yeah, Windows Update needs an overhaul and the retiring of ActiveX would probably be on the agenda, but obviously this hasn’t happened and therefore you need to expect ActiveX components.

    Also, Thurrott is expecting too much with drivers and clearly misplaced the companion CD that came with his Ultrabook.

    The article commenters are right: the same update hell thing happened to XP when 7 was released. Someone around here was complaining about it back then. It was probably kurks. Windows 2000 didn’t have this problem because Microsoft released an unofficial SP5 in the form of a rollup.

    LOL at this comment:

    You are clueless.. 8 started a completely new kernel and a complete rewrite of Windows. It was the end of the road for the original Windows line that, yes, was build upon one after the other starting with 95 for the most part.

    >You are clueless
    >Implying Windows 95 lives on in any fashion

    For a technical blog, Thurrott sure does attract a surprising number of totally idiotic commenters. Even places like Ars and Hard Forum are better than this.

  20. For a technical blog, Thurrott sure does attract a surprising number of totally idiotic commenters.

    Yeah, I wanted to write something about that comment too.

    Metrotard wisdoms like these remind me of “Windows is still DOS” freetardisms that could be read on places like OSNews comments well into Vista.

  21. most Malware doesn’t even target the things Windows updates fix

    Big mistake, that. OS vulnerabilities can be exploited by webpage elements or webpage javascript, like it was the case with the July 2015 font vulnerabilities in OpenType (I hope you have at least installed those KBs). This also happens in Android with the towelroot exploit, so any ohiohams and dougmans from the Pog blog should stay silent.

    I have found that a good solution is to disable “receive recommended/optional updates the same way as…” in Windows Update settings, so the amount of GWX crap is reduced.

    But if you are browsing with unpatched Windows, you are basically a Windows XP user. And with China and India providing a hefty exploitable base of XP users, targeting OS vulnerabilities that affect XP and higher will always be profitable for malware authors (unlike targeting browsers like Chrome, which update themselves automatically even in XP, and their updating mechanisms are less annoying to users, so they are less likely to be disabled. Flash is also loved by malware authors, but with Firefox auto-blocking security-holed versions, I expect the trend to decline).

    PS: Of course, ublock origin is your friend, even on “trustworthy” sites which use the “trustworthy” Google ads. But I wouldn’t count on just that.

  22. I wonder that excuse the asshole TEG and his elitist cohorts are going to pull this time. W7 is officially supported by MS and the update hasn’t worked for a year. How the heck are the hundreds of millions of people going to get their security patches.
    Maybe they can call Kurk a Greek pedophile and berate eveyone else for not reading Tacitus before bedtime.
    I actually gave up and tell people they have to upgrade because the update system is broken.
    Most people including me don’t give a crap about the privacy concerns.

  23. Have you tried running that Microsoft tool that fixes Windows Update, can’t remember the name.

  24. Which one? I even tried running the new checksur, which BTW is awesome and gets it’s payload from the internet like W8 and above. You don’t have to manually copy .cat and manifest files anymore.

  25. The W7 updates actually work for me on existing W7 PCs. New installations are another matter.

    It seems they break (never ending search-loop) on fresh W7 installations with no prior update-server contacts.

    I actually gave up and tell people they have to upgrade because the update system is broken.

    Running something like WSUS offline restores the functionality of Windows Update, because it doesn’t hang when there are few new updates to search and install.

  26. Only downside to WSUS Offline Update is that it takes forever to populate the first time. It’s really meant for people like “us” who come across PCs that haven’t been updated for whatever reason and/or updating fresh installs without slipstreamed updates.

    However, I haven’t set up 7 in a while and it sounds like building WSUS Offline Updater from scratch then running would be quicker and less hassle than dealing with Windows Update. That’s embarrassing. WSUS Offline Updater is just a simple .NET GUI wrapper pointing to some scrips that run “wua /kb: /quiet /norestart” a bunch of times.

  27. *wusa, not wua

  28. WSUS Offline can’t solve this issue. Even after you install the convenience roll up, which is a cumulative packages of updates until April 2016, the windows update still takes hours to check. I guess the whole world is an entitled broiltard for wanted their updates to work.
    At this point running W7 is a security liability until they fix Windows Update.

  29. WSUS Offline can’t solve this issue. Even after you install the convenience roll up, which is a cumulative packages of updates until April 2016, the windows update still takes hours to check. I guess the whole world is an entitled broiltard for wanted their updates to work.

    Off the top of my hat, and without any testing for the last three, here are a few ways to deal with the problem:

    a) Maintain a working Win7 image in audit mode in a VM and generalise it every time you need to install it on a new PC (which also simultaneously saves plenty of work per each install).

    b) Disable Windows Update service (via services.msc) and install the cumulative package via WUSA.

    c) Inject the cumulative package to a vanilla Win7 install via DISM, which bypasses the precondition checks that make normal install procedure with WUSA slow but also carries the risk of rendering the OS unbootable.

    d) Inject the two packages mentioned here via DISM and then install other Updates normally via Windows Update.

    Whether you want to try any of these solutions or continue to whine along with the 4chan rejects is entirely up to you, however.

  30. I wonder that excuse the asshole TEG and his elitist cohorts are going to pull this time.

    If by “elitist” you mean telling you repeatedly to get better at the crafts that you practice professionally, then, yes, I suppose everyone with a shred of work ethics is an elitist.

  31. I have found that a good solution is to disable “receive recommended/optional updates the same way as…” in Windows Update settings, so the amount of GWX crap is reduced.

    Again, I pointed out rather several months ago that blocking KB3035583 did the job just fine. As far as I understand, nothing has changed except that people now seem to not even noticed they have accepted the Win10 upgrade and are suddenly surprised to see it present in the recommended updates. The procedure to remove the upgrade itself is less trivial than just blocking GWX, though, in a nutshell, all it takes is simply:

    1) Blocking the Upgrade package in Windows Update,

    2) Removing KB3035583 from the install,

    3) Removing all Win10 Upgrade from the system using Disk Cleanup and

    4) Blocking KB3035583 from Windows Update.

    Because MS releases a new KB3035583 package every month or so, you need to either check every time before accepting any updates or run a script that does the same job for you at system startup. Again, if you want to continue to ignore my recommendation and choose to whine like its /g/ here, that’s your call.

  32. Metrotard wisdoms

    For the record, I always keep the Win10 Start in full-screen mode, because I am so idiotic I’d rather let it take up the whole screen than squish it to a corner and use the available space to display things I am not paying attention, and because I am so deluded I cannot see a column-by-column design is just the same thing as a one-piece mosaic.

    Clearly, such is the woes of being ignorant of pedestrian UI “wisdoms”.

  33. http://betanews.com/2016/06/27/microsoft-windows-10-payout/

    Microsoft pays out $10,000 for forcing Windows 10 on California woman

  34. Hmm… it appears Google plans to make their own phones (under the Pixel brand or whatever).

    http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/06/google-android-own-phone-design-report/

    Good news for Android users. A major problem of Android was OEMs trying to keep the price of Nexus devices high, to prevent competition with their own “differentiated” (customized) phones, which means the value-for-money ratio in Nexus devices fluctuates among Nexus generations, according to what leverage the contracted OEM has in the negotiations. For example, there was a noticeable drop in value-for-money from Nexus 5 to Nexus 5X, because apparently, LG has more leverage now (aka they need Nexus sales less).

    Who needs all these when Google can just design a phone real quick (like they do with the Pixel line) and subcontract the manufacting to Foxconn or whatever?

    This was probably the reason Google jettisoned Motorola, they realized Motorola was yet another old hardware company/OEM with tons of dead weight and bureaucracy, and they could do it in-house better.

    By the time Microsoft takes Windows Phone/Mobile out of the freezer in early 2017 or so, they could be looking at an entirely different playing field, with cheap Android phonesfrom OEMs receiving timely updates for 24 months, to compete wih Google…

  35. Meanwhile, Microsoft will make inaccessible paid content that cost several dozens of dollars to acquire (for the customers), to save a couple of pennies in server costs

    https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/363186–new-ideas/suggestions/15001341-do-not-shut-down-xbox-fitness

    http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016/06/xbox-fitness-workout-videos-being-removed-sunsetting/

    I can still re-download purchased stereoscopic games for my Optimus 3D from Gameloft’s wapshop with decent speeds, which I purchased for 2 pounds, and yet Microsoft cannot keep some vids online because they might lose PENNIES…

  36. XBox Live is probably the most consumer unfriendly gaming service among the options that still exist, and this is a marketplace that includes Electronic Arts and Activision. Microsoft will shut down your game or platform the moment it becomes politically viable. PSN has problems, too, but it was free on the PS3 whereas Xbox Live cost between $60 and $120 per year depending on plan choice. PSN is still cheaper than XBox Live and probably a better value at this point, i.e. they put the subscriber money to good use rather than pocketing it all.

  37. Does anyone miss Mr Blofeld (aka Steve Ballmer) yet?

    Sure Ballmer was the person responsible for WinMo 6.5 (=Microsoft’s smartphone ambitions getting ruined) but at least he understood the values of compatibility and long term support. And not bait-n-switching your customers.

    Only the most failed enterprises (PlaysForSure) were given the boot under Ballmer, and even then it didn’t happen instantly.

    Nadella is an idiot thinking customers owe him.

  38. I get what you’re saying but reinstalling Ballmer would just slow the bleed. I think I’d rather Microsoft fail faster than go through an additional half decade of marginal viability.

    As for Monco’s assertion that everybody needs to get with the program professionally:

    a) there is no requirement to like the tools you work with. In fact, this is how LHB got started: the population base weren’t drivebys that “obviously haven’t tried Linux lately.” They were people who worked regularly with Linux and other technologies. There simply couldn’t have been that level of hate otherwise.

    b) we’re a step ahead of you, Monco. We’re looking at the future and are wondering where Microsoft fits. Increasingly Microsoft is looking like the graybeard realm previously occupied by IBM. Betting on Microsoft now is like watching mini and microcomputers happening in the mid-70s and betting the future on mainframes and COBOL, the two things “no one ever got fired for buying” back then.

    c) it’s painfully obvious at this point that you’ve tried your lame tactics on /g/ and got your ass handed to you. You’ve been whining about this for months. Did you try to get them to all use tripcodes to “preserve the purity and spirit” of the forum? I’d love to see how that went down. It’s embarrassing: /g/ is such a timid place. It’s like Ars or [H]ard Forum with 4chan memes thrown on top.

  39. Monco spotted

  40. That Exploit Guy

    there is no requirement to like the tools you work with.

    No one is telling you to like the tools you work with. Considering that I have already had to race against the clock to deliver a script to stop a bunch of Win7 installs from becoming Win10 overnight, do you honestly think I am free from my own share of frustrations with the OS? Here’s the thing: I don’t care whoever shiny-faced, overpaid slimebag is running Microsoft, nor is any of such musings on the matter constructive to those counting on their machines to put food on the table. When people ask you for assistance with a dialogue box telling them their Win10 upgrade is ready, the last thing they expect is your rambling on about some quasi-celebrity figures that does not help even one iota with the situation. They want a solution, and it is your job to deliver one instead of throwing your hands up in the air and lamenting that its all too hard and that Bill Gates is the devil. Beside, if they want gossips, they can always tune in to TMZ instead of listen to some pathetic, self-important little geek droning on and on about other pathetic, self-important little geeks.

    we’re a step ahead of you, Monco. We’re looking at the future and are wondering where Microsoft fits.

    That sounds stupid and abjectly unprofessional. Is this what you honestly consider an appropriate counter-argument against giving a minimum amount of damn about the immediate problems that you are in charge of solving? Again, people want solutions, not your pontificating on market trends or corporate performances. In other words, you either deal with the problems relevant to your job at hand (either by tackling them with the tools you have a due responsibility to be familiar with or pave over the infrastructure with an alternative you oh-so believe is a sufficient replacement – I frankly do not care which) or you quit. Other people’s time and resources are not yours to waste or to make a personal statement with.

    it’s painfully obvious at this point that you’ve tried your lame tactics on /g/ and got your ass handed to you.

    I think it’s rather painfully obvious that your response here as well as the comment immediately following yours is an indication of something I have been pointing out here for months. ;)

  41. Wow, Monco, I am shocked at the low quality of your response. You aren’t even trying anymore.

  42. That Exploit Guy

    Wow, Monco, I am shocked at the low quality of your response. You aren’t even trying anymore.

    In no way a sarcastic response to the above comment, here’s a link.

  43. Not even pretending you’re nothing more than an antagonistic troll anymore.

  44. Honestly, I can’t even understand why Monco/TEG is getting flack right now… He admits Windows 10 can be frustrating but has to be tolerated to get shit done. Duh…

  45. Windows 10 = Windows 10 upgrade notification (on Win7)

    The best you can do is disable it…

  46. He’s getting flak because his insults are tired and uninspired and he complains constantly about 4chan and then says someone mentioning such in reply somehow proves his point. It’d be like Dr Loser claiming that you posting here proves Greeks are inferior, QED. Loser is an asshole but you’d expect a little better than that, no?

    Also, there’s more to life than Windows 10. Just because Monco can articulate some faults doesn’t mean he’s now my brother or something. You’re making this place look like the circlejerk cult he accuses the place of being.

  47. No one is telling you to like the tools you work with. Considering that I have already had to race against the clock to deliver a script to stop a bunch of Win7 installs from becoming Win10 overnight, do you honestly think I am free from my own share of frustrations with the OS?
    TEG you idiot hacking UseEsotericWorkaround scripts to fix the GWX rape update. Microfuck is faulty forcing upgrading on piece of shit Win10. TEG you are a hypocrite and have a double standard.

    Here’s the thing: I don’t care whoever shiny-faced, overpaid slimebag is running Microsoft, nor is any of such musings on the matter constructive to those counting on their machines to put food on the table. When people ask you for assistance with a dialogue box telling them their Win10 upgrade is ready, the last thing they expect is your rambling on about some quasi-celebrity figures that does not help even one iota with the situation. They want a solution, and it is your job to deliver one instead of throwing your hands up in the air and lamenting that its all too hard and that Bill Gates is the devil. Beside, if they want gossips, they can always tune in to TMZ instead of listen to some pathetic, self-important little geek droning on and on about other pathetic, self-important little geeks.
    OMG TEG stop being ignorant Win7 still has more market shares. Nobody is downgrading to Lose10 spy OS. That Exploitable Guy likes sucking Bill Gates Microdick.

  48. TEG. I think you misunderstood my point. I already had the convenience rollup installed and it was still stalling. Offline slipateaming wouldn’t do jack. Not to mention that this doesn’t help with people who are just doing updates on a working system and not going any re-installation.

  49. Lose10 spy OS.

    Can’t you say “Windows 10”? Or you are like Pog, calling it “Lose 10” to avoid saying “Windows 10”, because “Windows” is an evil trademark (Pog has actually admitted this is the reason he never ever says “Windows 10” in his blog)

    Gotta love the Queefs and Pogs of this world protesting the trademarked word “Windows” on moral grounds (“M$ can’t trademark a word of the dictionary brah”), as if there is any legitimate reason anyone else would want to name his OS “Windows”.

    But you know, a sense of morals is like a sense of humor. Everybody has it’s own opinion on what is a good one and what a bad one…

  50. Garegin has quite the freetarded post-history at Moronix, his saying “Lose10 spy OS” without a hint of irony shouldn’t surprise you, kurks.

  51. Can’t wait for the end of July.

    What do you think will happen regarding W10 forced upgrades?

    I am pretty sure they want to prolong the “offer” (more like malware scheme) but on the other hand they have told so often that the end of July would be their deadline, they would lose even the tiniest bits of trust they still have if they would pull a “fooled you!” at the last minute.

    What are your bets?

  52. MY GOD, WHERE IS THE POLICE ALREADY?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/04/microsoft-windows-10-full-screen-upgrade-notification-pop-up-reminder

    As free upgrade period draws to a close, software maker resorts to adware tactics with its most irritating pop-up yet

    Microsoft’s aggressive push to get users to upgrade to Windows 10 has been turned up a notch as the company begins pushing full-screen upgrade pop-up notifications to Windows 7 and 8.1.

    The “Sorry to interrupt” notification will take over the whole screen and force users to select either to upgrade at once or to be reminded later, which will cause the pop up to reappear every three days.

    HOW THE FUCK IS THIS STILL LEGAL?

  53. It’s like active-x IE hijacks in the late 90s/early 2000s on shady porn sites.

    I have such a strong feeling of anti-pathy towards this company nowadays thanks to their malware-reign, it’s incredible. The average freetards back in the days were MS lovers compared to me now.

    I like Windows 7, but even the W7 logo on boot-up makes me a bit uncomfortable now.

    Well done MS, well done.

  54. I never said losespy 10. That anynomouse poster is not me. I actually like Windows 10, because I don’t give two craps about privacy. I was actually complaining the broken state of vista’s and 7’s update.
    BTW I’m still waiting for TEG’s brilliant comback. No amount of slipstreaming will do jack, because consumers need to run updates on their existing systems without reinstalls.

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