Windows 8 fucking sucks

First of all, let Microsoft themselves speak about what they thought a good UI should be like. Suzanne Hansen, a product manager at Microsoft, explains:

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While the Visual Studio 2010 visual appearance is unique, it does follow the Microsoft Windows UX guidelines. Microsoft does not use one standard visual appearance for all its products for multiple reasons, including:

* Not every product has the same users and therefore the same UI is not appropriate everywhere
* Microsoft has such a wide range of products, it would be impossible to do one visual appearance that is a “one size fits all.” For example, it would be virtually impossible to use a single UI design for Zune, XBox, Visual Studio and Bing.
* Different visual appearance of different products helps differentiate/brand them.
* Having a single UI appearance would not give individual products flexibility to evolve as needed in response to trends, customer and business needs.

Thank you, Suzanne Hansen, Program Manager, Visual Studio Platform Shell Team
[...]
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Suzanne explains here why Visual Studio 2010 has a different look and feel than Windows. And the explanations make perfect sense! (unlike the stuff they tout out with Windows 8) But isn’t this the complete opposite from the current Windows 8 design philosophy? And yet, this was Microsoft’s credo just two-three years ago! How is it possible to trust in Microsoft’s Windows 8 vision, when they were able to flip their own philosophy completely on its head within such a short timespan?

Windows 8 is clearly a “one size fits all” rush-job that was driven in a dictatorial fashion by its main-overseer at Microsoft, Steven Sinofsky (the man “left” the company shortly after the Win8 debute. Signs and wonders). Countless of people have raised their voices on the official Windows 8 blog when the OS was in development, yet the dev team and Sinofsky have demonstratively ignored the highly technical issues that were brought up and only answered the simplistic ones. it went something like this:


Sinofsky’s Blog
user 1: Hi there! I like Windows 8.
user 2: You said Aero shouldn’t be in Windows 8 because it harms battery life, but that doesn’t make sense because Aero can be turned off when the computer is on battery. It actually wasn’t long ago that Microsoft was defending Aero as having minimal impact on battery life. Are you now going to claim that Microsoft was wrong? In fact I have multiple links showing specific benchmarks that Aero only uses 1-4% when on and…..
user 3: Will Windows 8 have a Twitter app?
Sinofsky: That’s a great question that I’d be happy to answer. Yes Windows 8 will have a Twitter app.
(week later user 2 comment is gone)

(Quoted from the blog “Techbroil“)

I was reading the W8 blog regularly, it was EXACTLY like this.

But let’s concentrate on the product itself – Windows 8 has a new programming interface, called WinRT, and a new GUI, formerly called Metro. What’s the problem with WinRT and Metro? Here’s the list:

1. The desktop has multiple windows, Metro has not.

2. Desktop programs can be resized, Metro apps cannot.

3. The desktop has drag and drop between applications, Metro has not. Instead of just selecting the items you want to export and actually move them into the other program, you need to handle with “charms” which comes across far more unintuitive than just dragging and dropping.

4. The desktop has nearly unlimited multi-tasking abilities, Metro has not.

5. Metro apps are far more limited in scope, by design, than desktop programs.

6. Desktop programs have depth and 3D, Metro apps on the other hand seem to be approved by the Flat Earth Society.

7. Desktop programs are usually more colorful and vibrant, the Metro design principle consists of CGA style mono-color.

Winzip for Desktop:

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WinRT version:

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Which one does look more like a C64 program?

8. You can open up other programs in the desktop, through the start menu, without disrupting workflow. On the other hand the start screen is something like the “item menu” in games where you dress up your character with weapons etc. Everyone knows that it is quite distracting switching between item menu and game world in games, and Microsoft brought this concept onto its flag ship product! Hooray.

9. Desktop programs can be easily distributed, Metro desktops are locked-in into the store.

If an alien would just land on our planet and see Windows 7 and Windows 8 (and its programs) for the first time, without no prior knowledge, he would think Windows 7 is the successor, not 8. And that’s just the problem of the WinRT part. The fact is that Win8 has multiple control panels and update mechanisms and is a duality monster. Win8 apologists in all seriousness propose arcane keyboard shortcuts as solution for some of the glaring problems, where previous versions worked just fine without using them. Also the Metro start screen offers absolutely no indication that it is searchable, yet it is. It’s full of little news items and ad-like graphics. It resembles something like cnn.com, only that CNN HAS a search box! Would you “just start typing” at cnn.com, if the site had no visible search box?

So, fine. Use ONLY the desktop then! But here’s the catch, and the reason for all this negativity – Microsoft put away the start button. If you click on the hidden start button, you’re back to the Metro interface. It’s a jarring experience. They want you to force going Metro, yet the whole Metro and WinRT experience is so limited and smart phoney, it’s just insane to use it on a screen bigger than a tablet. No one, and I mean NO ONE was able to tell me what the heck the benefit of the start screen is for desktop and laptop users or why the Metro apps are this castrated (the mail app can’t handle the most common mail protocol IN THE WORLD!), yet MS forces you to use them (the default image/video/music viewers/players are awkward Metro apps in W8.. even in desktop mode! They look as if they consist of one single code line). The explanations only come to “newer mobile devices have something like that, so.. eh.. and you will get used to it!”.. And that’s pretty much it. That’s not a compelling argument to warrant such a hassle.

Oh, and did you know that for multiple users Windows 8 is just arsed? The “All Programs” system is bonkered in Windows 8. Let me explain: If installers (of Win32 programs) put links into the C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs folder, they ARE NOT GLOBAL. Not really that is. The link appears in the start screen for the user who installed the program, but all other users don’t see it. It’s only visible for them if they right-click and chose the “All Apps” screen (yes, IT’S HIDDEN ON DEFAULT!)

Windows Vista and 7 didn’t highlight newly installed programs in the start menu for other users as well, but the “All Programs” submenu-button wasn’t hidden, so it wasn’t such an issue like with W8.

Oh, and let’s also not forget that W8 Metro “apps” need to be installed per user, undeleted per user and updated per user. Just try it out: Install the updates of all the default apps through the appstore, create another account on the computer and log-in to the app-store. What do you see? You need to install the updates for that user as well! Trying to manage this for multiple users is hell! At the moment, the only reasonable tactic if you have multiple users and you want to use them apps is to let them use ONE account only and lock that one down with scripts etc. BACK TO DOS, BABY

And it’s not only about the metro-menu and all the headache that brings, it’s the whole approach. For example the darn “apps” themselves: How hard could it have been to include a “Pro mode” (with scary “You’re on your own now!” warnings if needed) or something like that which would allow sideloading? They could still have their store and still make the enthusiasts and “Pros” happy. It would have been easy to make the Metro-Notro-Win8stylestoreapps-whatever more appealing to the laptop and desktop users. How about more features availble the bigger the screen is? “Windows has detected you have a 24 inch screen, multi-tasking and windowing of Metro apps is enabled now”. Stuff like that wouldn’t be too hard, freeware like Bluestacks does it! But no, Microsoft has chosen the most limiting and existing-customers-repulsing way possible. That is why there are complaints and bad feeling all around. That’s where the “walled garden” and “dictatorial” accusations come from. MS was a quite comfortable choice between the strict Apple- and the free-for-all linux world, pretty much the golden middle, now they are doing their darndest to change themselves into a totally redundant MicroApple and this generates ill felings. The many game developers were annoyed for good reasons IMHO. And let’s not start on the limitations of the metro apps.. Oh sure, they aren’t forcing metro down on you, except they do:

Now let’s forget the start screen, just open up an audio file on the desktop.. BAM – You’re on a full screen monstrosity, with “parental advisory” graphics from obscene rap album covers and stuff like that. With no obvious way to get out of it. PROGRESS. They wanted to simplify Windows 8. That’s why instead of clicking on an easy to spot bright red X, (that’s faaar to power user for the common idiot to understand) you need to “grab” the application by its invisible head and drag it down the drain so that it can disappear. And if you managed to close it, you’re back on the metro screen instead of the desktop (where you started). Just fabulous! So just playing a darn audio file means switching through completely different GUI environments and playing a mini-adventure. Same is happening when you open up pictures and movie files. Yes, that’s what I call a great user experience right there. Then there’s the DVD codec issue and WMP not playing them even if you have the codecs installed, mail apps that can’t handle common protocols.. No one is going to change their provider just because subpar OS update decided it wants to out-hipster the whole world.

Sure, you can hack-around to link WMP back to the files etc. but shouldn’t an “upgrade” make stuff.. you know, better?! How’s stuff like that a good default experience? In the first beta versions, the welcome screen could not be clicked away. You had to drag it away with the mouse! Totally insane. That’s one of the very few things they have fixed, but the fact that something like that made it into an alpha version, yet alone beta, makes it clear what kind of carelessness the “design” of Win8 truly was/is. I am pretty sure the main reason the server got metro too is to prevent “power users” running Server 2012 as a desktop replacement.

All that is just NOT comparable to the previous versions. Never before were there such regressions in usability of Windows and “feel” of the company.

Then there’s the whole subplot about their handling of developers and the whole Silverlight affair to promote the W8 craplets – killing SL just when it was going strong as LOB tool. The amount of badwil they have created with this OS among their (former) allies, devs and supporters is just staggering.

Steve Ballmer compared Windows 8 multiple times to Windows 95, yet the comparison doesn’t hold water in the slightest.

Windows 8 is the anti-95.
Win32 programs didn’t gave you the feeling that something is amiss compared to Win 3.1 applications. (with Metro you have this feeling constantly). Even the first generation Win95 programs at launch felt more capable than their 3.1 precursors (Corel Draw 6, Office 95). Notro provides the complete opposite feeling.

Windows 95 came with uncrippled winfile.exe and progman.exe (the win 3.1 GUI), and you were able to boot directly into it without even seeing 95’s explorer.exe at all (“shell=progman.exe” in system.ini). (works in win 98 too) There was even an official option at the Windows 95 setup for that if you upgraded from Win3.1.

You also were able to directly boot into DOS with ease (just set bootgui=0 in msdos.sys, that also worked in Win 98).

Windows 95 is the anti-thesis to Windows 8. The philosphies were completely different. The team had enough courage to provide all these options because it truly seemed as if they were proud and confident about the system to stand on its own. Windows 8 on the other hand comes across as coward’s darling – “the users are too stupid to appreciate our beautiful hippster GUI, let’s cripple the desktop as much as we can to force them to this”. Windows 95 didn’t need any crippling, users chosed explorer.exe because it was better, and they had the ability to use the old GUI without compromise If they wished to do so.

Windows 95 is confidence. Windows 8 is cowardice.

37 responses to “Windows 8 fucking sucks

  1. this the only thing I have to say windows 8 fucking sucks and it is not user friendly all

  2. So true so true.
    Anyone can clip a new interface above the later Seven interface, and just delete the registry of the “start menu”.

    Well we could do a program to do this.
    => quickly destroy the old windows 7 interface into 8.
    Well just some bmp´s. and delete some registry.

    The hell is that even ubuntu have to hide the programs from the user!!!!
    What the!!!!

    Cmon, GOOGLE => A great oportunity to SET their OS right now.

    I hade a sad time installing official nvidia drivers and Sun JAVA we need to come into commmand line again!!!!!!

    I really HOPE a new OS being windows 9 or Google OS come as:

    “Hello Operator what you want me to do” Operacional System, and not as
    “Who the f*ck are you, password please” Operacional System.

  3. This review is fucking stupid.
    You’ve lost me right there when you’ve cited Jerkface as some credible source. This guy either has no fucking clue (and no brain to comprehend when he’s corrected time and time again) or fucking switched to clickbaiting wider audience.
    Do you fucking realize that most of your rant is about fucking tastes. Tastes fucking differ.
    Seriously, here is simple exercise. IMAGINE, that there are people who actually LIKE Modern appearance. Yep, there are even people who LIKE Linux, but there are objective technical problems in Linux, so they could go fucking suck on RMS. Now back to fucking Windows. There fucking are people whose fucking tastes are fucking different than yours (again, I want to emphasize TASTES, because some retards like Jerkface don’t fucking understand how is that even possible – you can fucking STFU “tastes differ” for fucking explanations if you need any). They don’t feel start screen is “jarring”, they’ve spent most of their lives with maximized programs and now they have full-screen apps (AND maximized programs). They actually like clutter-free interface: just fucking look at the web – everybody is moving from fucking wet-floor+gradients to simple colors and shapes (every-fucking-body – even fucking Apple – the biggest fucking abusers of bells-and-whistles-because-we-can). Did you IMAGINE that there are fucking people with different tastes? Now fucking read your fucking brainfart again.

    Is there anything besides “thou shalt not like things I don’t like” idiocy? Oh, sure – “technical” stuff.
    “Multiple updates systems” – you either referring to Modern vs. Classic Control Panel WinUpdate in which case you have no fucking clue – it’s THE SAME WIndows Update (do you fucking know how frontend differs from backend? Here is a link to think about http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa386065)

    “Modern apps require updates for every user” thing? Um, now try downloading some huge app (say, Adera) and measure how long does it take to download. Create new user and try to install this app for that user. How long did THIS ONE take? Um, maybe after all MicroApple is not that stupid? There is a deliberate choice to make apps REGISTRATION per-user with actual binaries managed centrally (look in %ProgramFiles%\WindowsApps – you’ll be surprised). BACK TO DOS, BABY.

    Aero? You don’t have fucking clue, do you? Aero Glass and Aero Flip3d are killed. I’ll give you that. Aero Snap, Aero Peek, Aero Shake, superbar (also considered part of Aero experience), dependency on compositing (unlike Windows 7, it’s actually ALWAYS composited now – even Basic theme), etc. – everything is there.

    Anything, I’ve missed?

  4. It comes down to the fact that the classic WIndows desktop doesn’t work well with a touch screen, and Metro doesn’t work well without one. And they don’t work well together. It’s a 25+ year old platform in transition.

    The rest of our article just seems to talk about default preferences you don’t agree with. I don’t completely agree with the defaults out of any OS I’ve tried (including more then enough Linux distros). That’s why you can make changes. Most of your griping sounds like you’d rather take a command line over any windowing interface anyway.

  5. @1234 “Anything, I’ve missed?”
    You forgot the start menu and added an extra comma.
    Plus metro sucks by any stretch of the imagination. It’s like liking Justin Bieber. Sure he has a massive following, it’s still just a bunch of stupid 14yo girls.
    Metro is like that, except the fanbase is very small, and it’s entirely made out of retards.

  6. The problem with “taste” is that it is unaffordable to spend billions of dollars supporting a niche, of which the entire “Metro” line is. The market has clearly rejected Metro in all its forms.

  7. Oh, Jerkface-the-stupid himself. Hello, moron, “YOU” is not equal to “the market”. Market didn’t reject anything.

  8. How’d you know I was Jerkface?

  9. Welcome to Idiocracy

    Ho hum…another battle between the traditional windows user and the Xbox generation…logic versus tantrum.

    “This review is fucking stupid.” Well, some of us would say that your entire comment is “fucking stupid”…times infinity. And the repeated use of the word “retarded”…well, we’ve got a name for you as well: MetroTard.

    “Tastes fucking differ.” I agree, but why should your taste trump my productivity? The author of this blog makes some very good points with solid examples of the failures of this OS, and all you can offer is your tantrum–er, opinion that he’s wrong, and not much else.

    “…there are people who actually LIKE Modern appearance.” I hardly consider something inspired by Playskool by Fisher-Price as “modern.”

    Now watch him run off to summon his little friends to storm your page with similar childish waah’ing. Kind of like a WinH8 Facebook page I perused awhile back where some troll kept whining about how stupid we all are, then we learned he was just some dumb 13 year old kid (his secondary school friends “liking” his comments gave him away…).

  10. @1234

    You’re right, some people like Metro(these people are called coprophiles. Say it with me, kids!). They’re also an insignificant minority because it turns out most PC users fucking hate it.

    What’s your point? Did you just have to get all that butthurt off your chest?

  11. People who would foist Metro on others should be summarily executed.

  12. Oh dear, have the Metrotards found this Blog as well, I suppose we’ll never hear the end of their whining…

    Keep crying children, it’s good for your eyes.

  13. Why waste time with W8 and Metrotards. Buy an Apple.

  14. to 1234: Nice post. I am referring to your 32 line, 413 word post of which 25 of the words contained the F word. I came here in hopes of finding an intelligent thread concerning Windows 8, but it appears that intellect has gone down the same path as Microsoft and their decision to appeal to the zombie generation with their to die for apps. I guess clicking on the start button was a little to difficult for some people to comprehend, and thus needed a monitor full of pretty buttons to push and slide or is it slide and push? For the record, I have lived through every one of Microsoft’s operating systems, and for the first time am ready to throw in the towel. Now I know that by responding to your rhetoric in such a profane manner has no doubt encouraged a vulgar response. Anything but a battle of wit. If your previous post is any indication as what may be expected, then may I suggest you repeat grades K -5 to get a general comprehension of the English language. Who knows? Perhaps after another seven years of education, and the on to college you may be better armed for such a battle. To any of you who actually like Windows 8, then I am confused. As for me, I pulled my iMac out of the box and am relearning what I thought I would never have to do. Peace to all and good night.

  15. Yolo Swaggins

    “For example, it would be virtually impossible to use a single UI design for Zune, XBox, Visual Studio”

    This is funny because they ended up making VS2012 look like shit by trying to imbue it with Metro-style qualities.

  16. This article is completely true, and I absolutely agree; I share the exact same emotions as the author. I don’t usually curse or swear, and still don’t; but the title of this article is something I would permit.

    Windows 8 is a downgrade of Windows 7, or any other Windows OS. This article is a 100% accurate description. :)

  17. This 1234 chap is a moron.

  18. Just bought a mini-laptop (Win 8 OS) for school. Lose so much time trying to navigate internet, word, pp, excel, email, etc. All are needed during this class. Going to throw it off a fucking cliff.

  19. One would only hope that Microsoft program designers were reading these posts. While one size may not fit all, Microsoft should be aware of the millions of users who have already fit into previous UI builds. While tweaks and changes are to be expected, a complete overhaul may be likened to reinventing the wheel. I hear that we may buy apps to convert the Windows 8 display to look and function similar to Windows 7. I vote that Microsoft do the work for us, and quit forcing us into new products so they might profit by it. As Earl Pitts may say, “Wake up America”.

  20. The best solution is to put a windows 7 boot cd in the drive. Format the c drive and put windows 7 back on it. It will give you an os that is easier to use. You will not have crappy charms bar. You will have a start menu that works and you ui will be familiar. If it not broke. Do not change it.

  21. I have been working with computers since 1977, when I purchased a TRS-80…and I remember that the original idea behind computers was that they were supposed to be a convenience.

    What happened?

    I just got an alienware machine with windows 8 and have been “fixing” it for days just to get it to do what I need it to do. Not “tweaking it” to make it perfect, but “fixing it”…so it’s usable. If I wasn’t a tech, half of these fixes wouldn’t be doable, and I have no idea how the average user could ever use this hunk of crap.

    My windows 7 machine is still my main machine. I’m only keeping W8 on the new computer for experimental purposes, and to study it at this point. It’s just horrible.

  22. Well said. Windows 8 is even worse than Bob. The only good thing it can do is to kill MS and or Ballmer – at the pace of 0.5 market share month, when Ms would need 2 times more to keep up with sheer rate of pc replacement, and 5 times more to appeal developers toward RT, it will not tke long!

  23. I am yet to met someone who likes Windows 8. Whoever designed the product was a moron.

  24. windows 8 is not good

    fuck windows 8 fuck windows 8 fuck windows 8 FUCK WINDOWS 8 this shits sooooo fucking gay… whover designed this shit should be lynched im fucking pissed off that i spent 800 on a windows computer.. i shouldve bought a mac and saved myself the every day struggle of doing anything technology related

  25. @windows 8 is not good
    yep, it is bad. if it is preinstalled, try do this:
    1) get “classic shell 4″
    2) use total commander instead of windows explorer
    3) restrict it with group policies to block internet access

  26. windows 8 is fucking stupid it feels to me like it was made for 5 year olds at some kind of shitty kiddy pc station at mcdonalds. thats how i feel about big ugly monotone squares on a touch screen it is incredibly dumbed down wanna be “user friendly” mac user dick sucking cater to the dumb asses, kids, and women who are too stupid to program a vcr, or fix anything, and want to use a computer. super dumbed down, but at the same time not user friendly and everything useful the have hidden the fuck away and you have to do stupid shit like put your mouse.in the very corner of the the screen where there is no button or anything what fucking genius came up with that idea. shit just gets stupider and stupider with microsoft in their attempt to change perfection for profit, they just butcher their own programs of course its all about making money and how can they sell something if its not new or different. microsoft wants to conquer every segment of the market so they will change into anything they think will make them money, in this case they had the amazing idea that “oh people like macs so lets dumb everything way down and cater to dumb asses” and “touchscreens are the future and if we make a touchscreen specific OS them people are sure to buy it! duhhhhhhh…. oops in the process you have made everyone with a brain hate you. you ruin office, you ruin windows you ruin xbox,you ruin everything microsoft fucking idiot cock suckers go out of business already, its only a matter of time

  27. Wow! your comments may have been reduced by 25% if you left out all the cursing. Believe it or not your point could be better made and received by readers if you were to use appropriate language. I think all of us agree that Windows 8 was a bad idea. All the screaming profanity will not help to get the point across, but will instead will only get people to ignore you.

  28. I couldn’t find a better reason to use profanity but at least you didn’t change languages in mid rant…which is how I would describe going from desktop mode to App mode. Window8 and 8.1 without a doubt son una mierda!

  29. windows 8 is the biggest piece of shit microsoft has released so far, and that is saying ALOT. fucking garbage….

  30. I have to agree with the Author, and understand all the cursing. All the W8 interface crap also extends in to Office 2013, showing me selections I never want to see and hiding the most obvious ones I need. filling my entire screen with templates / styles etc that I will never use and leaving me no room for my actual work. Oh for Google simplicity,, give me wordstar again please!

  31. I hate windows 8 with a passion

  32. There is nothing more i can add to this discussion that has not already been said about the fucking abortion that Windows 8 is. I am switching to Mac.

  33. Windows 8 is Insane totally uncool

  34. whoever designed and signed off oh this windows 8.1 ought to be fucking shot…….have hated msn for 15 yrs…now cannot get rid of it on this idiot program…..why did they decide to hide all the return to previous page icons???????

  35. You’re right – windows 8 sucks

  36. fucking shit …that’s why I use apple

  37. Windows 8 sucks ass. I’m literally about to return my laptop because of it.

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